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Speaker 1:
And welcome back to pastor Plex podcast. I'm so glad all of you are joining us, as we're live right here on whatever platform you're watching us on, and I have in studio with me none other than Mrs Katie Sass straight from the slope, so glad you're here.
Speaker 2:
I'm so glad to be back.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so let's talk about the altitude.
Speaker 2:
Oh, it was the worst.
Speaker 1:
Well, what you just?
Speaker 2:
kind of felt like you were like subtle, like it was like this subtle lingering. I feel like crap. I mean, we're in Breckenridge. Oh yeah, I don't really know.
Speaker 1:
I mean, there are mountains there. Yeah, sometimes 14. You probably didn't climb a 14er, but you're probably up to around 10 12,000 feet.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Okay, that's wild.
Speaker 2:
And I mean we had to like guzzle water, we had to like we were drinking Pediolite.
Speaker 1:
Are you a skier?
Speaker 2:
I skied one day. I have never skied before in my life. It was so fun until I had to stop, Like skiing. If you could just snap your fingers and stop.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Skiing would be the most fun sport on the planet.
Speaker 1:
So did you learn the pizza?
Speaker 2:
Yes, and my skis were not pizzaing, apparently, because I'm like, I'm like like going down, you know, and it's like great. I went to ski school, like I learned all the things I learned how to turn, I learned how to stop, I learned how. But like I thought like ski school was great. Yeah, like I'm like okay, like these little I was just on little baby hills, yeah, you know, and it was great, and I left ski school going. Maybe I can do this. And then later that day Ryan's like okay, well, let's go on like one of the slopes that we did earlier today. You know like you can totally handle it. But also I had never gotten on a you know the little like the flying benches, the one ski lift. I had never gotten on the flying bench.
Speaker 1:
So tell me about the flying bench.
Speaker 2:
Well, it was very fun riding on, but getting off.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, very challenging.
Speaker 2:
I I like literally busted it.
Speaker 1:
Like you get drilled in the head and everything.
Speaker 2:
Oh yeah, so like Ryan, ryan was like telling me he's like prepping me the whole way and he's like, okay, so like whenever we get to this certain spot, you have to stand up and let it just kind of like push you a little bit and you'll just glide right down, okay, and I'm like right, right, okay, just stand up and you'll glide. Stand up and glide, okay, great Done. Yeah, I stumbled like could not get up, like I was sitting, but you have your skis on and so I'm like I'm like struggling to get up and Ryan is sitting there the whole. Ryan's like Katie, up up, katie, get stand up, stand up. And I'm like I'm trying to stand up and I didn't stand up all the way. So this, I'm like I'm like kind of still in, like sitting, standing, like halfway standing halfway sitting position not stable. So as this thing nudges me forward, my skis go. It's almost like they just went as fast as they possibly could, and so I fall backwards.
Speaker 1:
Like.
Speaker 2:
I'm going so fast and I don't know how to like. I'm just like frantic, you know, like I never been in that situation before. I panicked and then just slipped backwards, slam my head against the snow which I thought snow was soft, like no one told me that snow was hard, but thank God I was wearing a helmet.
Speaker 1:
Oh, good job.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, everyone made me wear a helmet? I didn't really think I need. I was like you need helmets, this ski, but I'm like snow is soft, it's not, it's not soft. Yeah, and I fell a lot throughout like well, and what was really frustrating is like the whole time I just kept thinking I want this to be over.
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
Like I just want to be done, like I want to go home, and I cried, like I like there were tears shed.
Speaker 1:
Did they freeze your face down?
Speaker 2:
that going down this slope that Ryan thought that I could totally handle and I did not. I did not handle it and, like all the you know the like medic people they're like you know drive by on their like fancy little snowmobiles, like ski cars, whatever they're called, and like they're. They're like gliding down, and I'm Christine is with me. Yeah, Christine is like like yeah, she's a hardcore like dude. You got to get up. Like just get up, and okay, you can do this. Like the faster you get down, the sooner it's over and I'm sitting there crying like I can't do this. I just want to go home. And she's like Katie, you have to get up and go, like you like get down the slope and it's over. And I'm like wait, you know the sticks, like the poles, that you have to carry. So I'm like waving my poles in the air as the medics drive by and they're like hey, are you okay? And I'm like I need help. And Christine's like oh my gosh, katie, no, don't call them over here. And I I'm like please help me. Did they come over and I'm thinking, thank God they're going to rescue me. And they're like what are you okay? What's going on? And I'm like I can't get up. And they're like, oh, okay, and I was like can I have a ride? And they're like we can't actually like you have to actually hurt. Yeah, he's like we can't give you a ride.
Speaker 1:
Do you know what kind of slope it was? It was green, blue or black.
Speaker 2:
It was green. Yeah, it was easy, like apparently it was the easiest one and I'm like, I'm like Ryan goes. I thought I thought you could do it and I'm like, well, and like I had to learn how to ride one of those in ski school. It's the, so it's called the magic carpet or whatever, and like where you get on it and it moves like a flat escalator, I guess.
Speaker 1:
I don't know.
Speaker 2:
And I'm riding by this dude he's like running the machine, and I'm getting close to where it stops, where you, I have to like get slide right off. And I'm like holy crap, holy crap, I think I'm going to fall. And the dude working it's like no, you're going to be fine, you're going to be fine, you're not going to fall. And I looked at him and I said I think you're underestimating my ability to fall and I almost fell, but otherwise it was beautiful and you know I fell a lot and it was really fun going fast, but it wasn't fun having to stop after going fast and like I was just glad it was over.
Speaker 1:
So ever gonna go skiing again.
Speaker 2:
Probably not yeah.
Speaker 1:
All right, no remedial ski school for you.
Speaker 2:
No, take me to the beach.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely so. Mountains or a beach girl, you're a beach girl.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm a mountains girl If I get to like sit inside and have coffee and look at the mountains from the indoors.
Speaker 1:
Right, yeah, okay, all right. Well, I don't even know how to move on from there. That was amazing.
Speaker 2:
I'm here to entertain, yeah, what else do I?
Speaker 1:
do here. While you were on the slopes, we were back here doing ministry and we talked about I know I was so sad I missed a freaking episode with Tony.
Speaker 2:
It was pretty great. What did y'all even talk about? Did you even have fun?
Speaker 1:
We talked about masturbation.
Speaker 2:
Oh, stop yeah.
Speaker 1:
But we're going to move on from that subject. We covered it completely.
Speaker 2:
That's so annoying, I know.
Speaker 1:
All right. So we're going to talk about Now. We're going to talk about Jesus and he was born in a manger, all right. So the story goes that you've got. Caesar Augustus sends out a decree and there is a bit of an issue that a lot of people I want to know if this affects you when I talk about this so Caesar Augustus, the emperor of the time, sends out a decree that all the world should be registered, and it was done during the time when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Now most people think that Quirinius scholars think we know how reliable they can be and I don't want to put any. I don't put shade on scholars if they're wrong all the time. So what the scholars do is they put, they say, from about 6 or 8, 7 AD is when Quirinius started his reign as governor of Syria, which is fine. The problem comes is that King Herod died in 4 BC and we know from the Matthew account that King Herod was a pretty much crucial part of the Magi story. In fact, that's what we're talking about this week. And so they look at this and they say Ah, the skeptics say you can't trust the Bible because Luke is wrong. He has the wrong. Either the wrong people or the wrong dates or the wrong whatever, because you can have. If the scholars say that Quirinius was in 6 and 7 AD, he came to the power and Herod dies in 4 BC, does that mess you up? When you hear that, does that mess you up?
Speaker 2:
No.
Speaker 1:
I didn't think so. Why not? This is why I love your perspective on this. I think it's healthy.
Speaker 2:
Well, I just feel like the people that are just constantly out to prove the Bible wrong, they just need to. They need to get over it, they need to move on.
Speaker 1:
I mean, yeah Well, so I appreciate that, because what you're saying is like, just because someone presents me with facts and I put facts and air quotes that seemingly contradict the Bible doesn't mean necessarily that they are true or that the Bible is wrong. And here's one way I shared this on Sunday. One way you can look at this the word which says this was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria, and you could say this protoss or protoss. The word for first could also mean before. This was before the registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria, and so it's easily I don't know the argument's easily defeated or deflected.
Speaker 2:
So are they saying like King Herod died before.
Speaker 1:
So he died before Quirinius was governor, is what they say, and so what does that have anything to do with? So if Jesus is born when Quirinius is governor, but King Herod, he was born also when King Herod was king of Judea. That's a problem, because he dies in 4BC and Quirinius doesn't take over till 680. So that's an 8-year or 12-year, no, sorry 10-year span, 10-year span of. No at you uh, they're not the same time, same place. So if corny, so if corny's was edit that six bc'd be perfectly fine. Uh, and you can do it, because six bc for bc, that all makes sense to. King hered dies in four bc is what are scholars say. And but if then the he had to be alive for him to persecute jesus, try to kill him right with uh when the magi come with the dream, and so corny is who is governor of syria, doesn't show up till ten years later, that's, that's problematic if that's true. But this is the problem where either that could be true, that corny's does show up ten years after uh here dies, and if you interpret which is, it's clearly done many times. This was the, this was before the registration, when corny's was governor, that ten years before, that's fine, that works. Or the scholars could have been wrong. Uh, there's many ways to look at it I just feel like this is unnecessarily confusing yet I think what happens, for, uh, I think people are skeptical of the bible. Uh, to your point, they're looking to to find away that this is not true. And though, and they, and and I'm not saying that everybody that's like a critical scholar of newt, of the new testament, is looking to find though the bible disproved.
Speaker 2:
It's just that when they come across fax or when you're trying to write something or interpret something or put something together that happened like so long ago.
Speaker 1:
Of course they're probably gonna be some like gaps, couple mistake, a couple of things right, and what we would say as christians is that we believe the bible is true and everyone else is probably wrong. Wrong by ten years in two thousand years ago is not that far off, but but even if, even if that's true, that quiris doesn't take over to six and uh cizar doesn't take a, or sorry, uh, heredies, and for bc the, the problem that you heard the problem is is fixed by. This was before the registration, when quirinus was governor, and so there was a uh, what work, you know? A basis for taxing uh everybody to go to their own hometown, uh, around six eighty. Now this is where uh the. The only problem with that, though, is that we talk about david, or sorry, uh, uh are we losing listeners right now? we might be, but the? I think people care that. The problem with it is that you've got all. What about joseph mary? They went to be registered so he can say it's before the registration, but it this is the taxing time before quirinus came into power, so that it anyway. All all that say it's solvable by just letting the tech speak for itself and it doesn't deny that jesus is real it doesn't deny jesus real, and you can. You can find a historical basis for it with the words that we have to. Uh, I don't say work around as if we're like being shifty with history, but rather it's like anything. Uh, when you take a bias into something, then you automatically go all this must not be true. Here's the facts. They don't point this, but if you have, if your biases is, we don't have any, no one here is unbiased, but feel it all. This is what god's word, it must be true. And then so, therefore, here the facts I'm presented. Let me fit into the truth that I know anyway, so that that's probably not from that, but one of the things we talked about was that god brought together a pagan king to send, uh, jewish peasants to the city of their, of their birth, which is fulfilled prophecy from hundreds of years before. I mean, this is sort of wild, and I think the part that that excites me is that god puts the emperor into a bit role and the primary figures of history become two peasants, which sort of flips the script on who's important. And and I think I think sometimes in this is the part that I think I would love to get your take on this. You get mad at people in power, uh, whether it's governmental or it's uh, you know family or you know special. With christmas and holidays come around, uh, you get mad at people have ability to affect your christmas and then you make them the sovereign and what I mean sovereigns there, in complete control of your happiness, as opposed to god. It was probably annoying and this is a party it was probably annoying for uh mary to be in her third trimester to have to go by donkey you know, I don't know if she would by donkey, she walked but to go thirty five miles walking, uh, in the third trimester and it be exhausted and be irritated because some king put on a uh, a taxation, registration taxation, like how would you feel if you were married? That position, you know, you're thirty three, thirty four weeks pregnant and now you have to go make a three week journey I would not be thrilled and you probably I mean like all of us would complain about that emperor. He's a block, you know. You probably fill in, fill in all the blanks there, and I think that's the struggle that she's facing. And but I, what I want that the whole congregation and everyone listening to see, is that god was in control of that inconvenience. In fact, that inconvenience was for the good of god's purposes, for the baby newborn in bethlehem, to fulfill scripture, to then further give evidence for that. This is the son of god. There you go.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I mean, but is there a part that and maybe you're not like this we can get frustrated with government people who make you do something, and we need to realize that God puts all those people in charge, and so whatever they do has to pass through a grid of God's sovereign grace, and so I think that's helpful, especially when you don't approve of presidential decisions or governmental positions or decisions. Any thoughts there?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I know I mean I'm going to get controversial, I guess, but I know that I was a bit frustrated when I felt like Biden was going to make this national law requiring everyone to get the COVID vaccine. I remember that was really irritating. And we were all kind of like shoot if this becomes law like we just follow it because we have to abide by who God has put in power, or do we figure out how to you know? It was just kind of like this is not something that we want, but what do we do?
Speaker 1:
That's exactly right. And so then you'd have to say in those moments when you're looking at a mandate, clearly God's behind it. If God allows it, it's in his sovereign will. But then you got to get into permissive versus moral will, and that's a whole different thing. But essentially the permissive will is what God allows. That's not what he would decree. And then his moral will is like this is right and this is wrong, and sometimes God permits things that are against his moral will, so that we would have the choice to choose to follow him or choose to follow some pagan king. And I think that's not what this is about. But I think that's the reality, that God's still in charge even then. That gives us opportunity to kind of deal with the stress of having to trust him with when circumstances. So I do think that is true and I think that speaks to a lot of us, especially when the New Year's coming up and you're going to be starting to do your taxes and you can get angry and frustrated and why is this and why is that? And then, understanding God's sovereign hands playing that somewhere we've got to trust him, ok. The second thing that we talked about on this past Sunday was God chose to reveal his plan of salvation to shepherds, and I'm not sure what you think about shepherds. We probably have very little contact with shepherds, but if I put it into context, maybe this might be easier for you to understand. Have you ever heard the term gypsy? Is that a familiar thing for you? Like, when you think gypsy, do you think someone you can trust? No, no. And so shepherds were nomadic, so they would show up in one area, then the next thing you know they're in a different pasture, somewhere else, and so anytime you're nomadic, in general you don't trust them, because I make you a promise, I got you, and then that person, you never see him again, and so that's sort of the reputation they had. Now, god has always had a fond, I don't know. Is that affection for shepherds? Abraham was a shepherd, isaac Jacob, they were all shepherds.
Speaker 2:
So shepherds? So I guess it's the first time I'm hearing this. They were like nomadic.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean they didn't stay in the same. They didn't stay in the same. They couldn't because they'd eat up all the grass, not even move on. And then you think about it too. It's like you know they're wish they. You know the people who go like my dog is my friend. I do better with my dogs than people. They were most likely like that. They didn't do well with people and they probably preferred to be out with the sheep Be watching. Yeah, but to be fair, all the heroes of the Bible at one time were shepherds. So you've got Abraham Isaac, Jacob, david, joseph, david Moses. Everybody was a shepherd at one point, and so God has a special affection for shepherds, and anytime he's wanting to call out the priests, he calls them shepherds, which is where we also get the term pastor. Pastor means shepherd in Greek.
Speaker 2:
Well, and I mean you always refer to community group shepherds, Right.
Speaker 1:
And so there is a God has a positive view of shepherds. The world kind of had a negative view, and so what makes it kind of interesting with Luke is written to a Gentile audience, and so whenever you're reading it, when they read shepherds, they're like what, of course, shepherds would see? Angels, they see lots of things Right, like this is where a gypsy nomadic people would say they saw all sorts of wild stuff. But you wouldn't trust it necessarily. And so why does God reveal his plan of salvation to shepherds? Give me your thoughts on that, just from your perspective.
Speaker 2:
Were they sort of like a lowly part of society?
Speaker 1:
Blue collar, not necessarily too lowly, but definitely not trusted. They weren't allowed to testify in like a Roman court. Women and shepherds weren't allowed to testify.
Speaker 2:
Right? Well, what I've seen in scripture is that God loves to use those who are lower in, I guess, stature.
Speaker 1:
Yep class, if you will.
Speaker 2:
To work his plan into.
Speaker 1:
And I think that's exactly it. I think God is intentionally Like.
Speaker 2:
no one would have thought the shepherds would be the ones In fact that would be like.
Speaker 1:
Oh well, that's my proof against your view. Shepherds were your first witnesses of angels.
Speaker 2:
Of course the shepherds saw angels. It's just like Mary was the first one to the like women were the first one to the tomb.
Speaker 1:
Right and you're like OK, yeah, exactly, it's like God with Easter. The people that couldn't testify in court were the first ones that, for all history, were reported to have witnessed the resurrection and were reported to have witnessed the virgin birth.
Speaker 2:
And so that's. That's just how God humbles us.
Speaker 1:
You know.
Speaker 2:
I mean, that's probably how he humbled a group of people in that day. No, no for sure.
Speaker 1:
And I think that's exactly it, and I think that's why one of the things I talked about is why was Jesus put in a manger, from a practical standpoint, and the reason I think he was put in a manger. Because a manger we usually think of a manger like a wooden thing. Most likely it was a stone, because there wasn't a lot of wood in that area, but it was most likely a stone like Troph Troph, but it's elevated, and so when you think of where a feeding trough would be, what else is near a feeding trough?
Speaker 2:
like how's poop?
Speaker 1:
So to get the baby off the ground, you put the baby in a manger and probably use the hey to soften.
Speaker 2:
Where did we get the word manger?
Speaker 1:
So it's actually. You know, it's a French origin word Manger in French means to eat, and so that's just a-.
Speaker 2:
Because it's like if technically it was a feeding trough, then when did we start calling it a manger?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think we just stole the French word for it.
Speaker 2:
And it's a lot cuter than being soft Way cuter.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, manger is to eat.
Speaker 2:
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:
So there might be a wine that you like. That is uses that word, so just think about it. Anyway, so what also is interesting? So it's so filthy. The other thing I always thought about too was, like at what point was holding the baby too hard, right, I mean like? I think we've all been there Like-.
Speaker 2:
Because you try to apply, like what you struggled with, to what Mary could start to plan, like what so she's giving birth naturally.
Speaker 1:
She doesn't have a bathtub or whatever right To kind of know epidural, and so she's on the floor in the poop and pee of the, wherever the animals are, and she's like, let's her rip. And then out comes the baby. Joseph's like, ah, you know, he doesn't. You know, I don't know how much experience he's had delivering babies. Maybe you know, maybe he does know what he's doing Cuts the cord.
Speaker 2:
Well, if he's never seen her naked before.
Speaker 1:
Fair enough, he may have delivered his sister's baby. I don't know, you know, like who knows how-.
Speaker 2:
How old was he? Do we know? For sure, we don't. This is where like.
Speaker 1:
We think Mary's a teenager like 14, 15. And we think Joseph could be either 14 or 15 or he could have been 19 or 20.
Speaker 2:
I heard someone say like Joseph was like 30 years old and this is how you can like approve of, like older men dating teenagers, and I was like I don't think that's true?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean, even if it was true, that's not why you that wouldn't be prescriptive, it'd be descriptive. But I mean, we have no idea how old he was.
Speaker 2:
So potentially teenagers.
Speaker 1:
Potentially teenagers if they're the same age, or he could have been maybe 20 or 21, 22.
Speaker 2:
Wow, giving birth naturally in a barn or whatever.
Speaker 1:
Barn is what we've sort of given it Cave maybe might be better, or like open air area where the feeding trough would be. Like there is no, we don't know. Like there was no room in the end, so it wasn't in a room, right, so it was probably somewhere where and this is where Mary had to be tougher than all of us, oh yeah absolutely, it's just a different generation. She whoa, yeah, so she gives birth. Then I always think of it this way she passes out, she's exhausted, and then Joseph is sitting Did you just assume that?
Speaker 2:
Are you just kind of writing your own story? I'm writing my own script now, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:
So we don't know about this part, but for some reason Like it sucks because no one was there. Right, no one was there and we don't know. But we do know that the baby was put into a manger Right, why? And that's part that's my head.
Speaker 2:
Because it was a container.
Speaker 1:
It was a container, but like-.
Speaker 2:
It was something that you could why not hold the baby?
Speaker 1:
And I think that's where I'm like. You know, do you think Mary would approve of Joseph putting him into a manger? This is something a guy would do?
Speaker 2:
Do we know if Joseph put him?
Speaker 1:
in the manger. No, we don't know if anybody did, we don't know who put, so he somehow got into a manger.
Speaker 2:
Was there, hay there.
Speaker 1:
I'm assuming there was, but because in all the pictures he's on hay. I think that's just because that's what's probably already in the manger and they put him on top of the hay because it was soft and he's in swaddling clothes to protect him from the nastiness of all the bugs and the hay, I don't know Like. This is where I have no idea.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
But the part that I ask is does Joseph put him in the manger when Mary passes out? Because he was supposed to be holding him, and you know I'm just kind of tired, I mean it makes me think of like when, ryan, when, like you know, the babies cry. Right.
Speaker 2:
Babies, they cry, and when you can't figure out how to make them stop crying, then you go crazy.
Speaker 1:
Right, and you could, you know, shaking baby syndrome, the whole thing, and maybe there's like I need to put this baby down. I'm going to walk away.
Speaker 2:
So I can't even like imagine. Like you know, like, oh, I'm showing the Son of God, but this is exhausting.
Speaker 1:
I'm about to lose my mind, right.
Speaker 2:
I'm going to put, but that's obvious, like it's like I wonder what the terminology would have been then, like, like how they would have communicated, like this is stressing me out, oh, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1:
And of course you're a mom, you're not supposed to be stressed out by a baby, because you're supposed to love them in their trim. But anyways, for some reason he makes it to a manger, which was God's plan. Because all of a sudden the shepherds are going like I don't know how they're finding a baby in a manger. Maybe they're outside so they can hear the baby crying or something. And they show up and there's the baby in a manger and Joseph and Mary are like don't judge me Right. And then they're like oh, we came. They said the baby would be in a manger.
Speaker 2:
Well, because it's hard, because you can't like apply our personalities now to then.
Speaker 1:
Sure.
Speaker 2:
But like how I just like I'm so curious socially what it was like.
Speaker 1:
You're asking the same question I'm asking. So they come. So what's fun is that there's a bunch of signs that are given over time. So first, the first sign given is that Zachariah would be deaf and mute until the baby would be born, and that's how they knew that John would be the forerunner to the Christ.
Speaker 2:
Then Zachariah was.
Speaker 1:
John the Baptist stat. So. But then the sign for Mary was that Elizabeth was pregnant and she's an old lady and she obviously was a teenager. So she goes and visits Elizabeth, who's in her sixth month with the baby, and then the sign for the shepherds they get a sign. They get an angel and a sign the sign for the angels or the sign for the shepherds that the angel told them that they go somewhere into Bethlehem and they'd find a baby in swaddling clothes, which makes sense because that's what all babies are in but it'd be laying in a manger. That would be weird, and so that's what's sort of exciting about that whole idea that there this baby is hanging out in a feeding trough, and I just love that story, all right. So then here's what I thought was even more cool. The shepherds got an angel, okay they got an angel with the message like good news, you know great joy.
Speaker 2:
And didn't they freak out at first?
Speaker 1:
They freaked out. In fact, the word used there is megaphobia. They were mega afraid megaphobia, and they freak out, and I it's, and this is the reason why it's like. You know, shepherds, although they were doing a God honoring, serving their country, they were not exactly the most righteous, clean people Like. Their language is probably a little bit more vulgar than most cause they're out with sheep all day Like, and they're not super civilized and I can imagine when the angel shows up they freak out because their sin is exposed Like. It's like this I don't know if I know, you've probably never sped before, but if you're driving really fast and then all of a sudden you see a cop, you're like and you slam on the brakes. Yes, yes, that's probably what it felt like for them. Oh crap, we're screwed And-.
Speaker 2:
But how did angels appear?
Speaker 1:
They just.
Speaker 2:
They just like poof appeared.
Speaker 1:
They didn't like come down from the sky. No, it wasn't like, hey guys, we're coming down.
Speaker 2:
I'm sure it was there's multiple Is it like a mystical floating?
Speaker 1:
Well, it says the glory of the Lord shown all around them, whatever that means. So there-.
Speaker 2:
They're just appeared glowing. And then it, like you know, came. Did he stop glowing first? I think no.
Speaker 1:
In fact it got even crazier with a multitude of angels showed up and started saying. We don't know if they sang or said glory to God in the highest, and on peace.
Speaker 2:
I've always wondered that.
Speaker 1:
Earth. Peace toward whom is favor rest.
Speaker 2:
Like angels, they were glowing.
Speaker 1:
I must you know, I don't know what glory means. Glowing is what you know. She kind of glory kind of feels like it glows.
Speaker 2:
Like you know how in movies, when like an angel appears, it just looks like a normal person.
Speaker 1:
Sure, or it depends on the movie. Sometimes they glow.
Speaker 2:
Oh, that's true?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't know. So that part we don't know. But what we do know is that these shepherds get an angel that comes in directly, tells them and if you got an angel that said and this is where skeptics like, how come I don't get an angel, everybody else here's the good news and they go. They wonder at what had the shepherds told them. They're like, they're like blown. That blows their mind and they have the job. Shepherds who don't talk to people that often they're like nomadic. They had the job and they're probably doing it really poorly and they're like cussing somebody out, like you're not gonna have to believe this is me conjecture, I don't know.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'm like wait, I don't think that's how I talk.
Speaker 1:
That's not in the Bible. But I just sort of I'm like how would they have put it right? Like how would they have been? Like you're not gonna believe what happened. The angel came and they're like map shepherds. There they are. But the way that God entrusted the story of good news was through shepherds to tell about the Messiah being born. Isn't that hilarious? And again, I think this is where the shepherds get angels and that all we get are shepherds. In fact, over the years it's just I don't know how many people got. I mean, I'm sure some people get angels, some people get dreams, all that, but most of us get another shepherd sharing the good news of Jesus Christ and they're sometimes not theologically correct and there's sometimes they're just they're all over the place and you're just like how in the world? Which kind of made me feel good as a pastor, like that's sort of my job is to communicate. The supernatural event comes through me and I train and I'm really working hard to communicate it really well. But the first shepherds had zero theological training. Most likely they just got an angel that told them the words and they just shared it and I think that's why the testimony of someone is super powerful, that they had an experiential thing that it was memorable enough for Luke to go. Let me write that down. And Mary is the one that treasured up in her heart. She probably communicated that to Luke. Pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, how did Luke like? Who told Luke?
Speaker 1:
So Luke interviewed a bunch of people. So when you read Luke one it says hey, most excellent theophilist I've took. You know many have taken the job of writing account of what happened and so I too have taken it. So he's acknowledging that other stuff out there about Jesus is written. He wanted to write an orderly account.
Speaker 2:
Like he wasn't there, he's just saying.
Speaker 1:
Here's what I. Here's my documentary of the Jesus. All right, that to me, moves me. So the thing, what I challenge everybody is what will you do with God's plan? Will you wind at the people who are in charge that God is clearly using to execute his plan? Are you gonna think that you're too small or not that important enough to be like oh, I'm just a shepherd, I'm just a. I work at Google, I work at Starbucks, I work, as you know, a construction guy. I'm just a roofer and I'm in here in Austin because you know, we had that hail storm not long ago and everybody's here for roofing. Like I don't, you know, what are you here for? It doesn't really matter, but God's got a plan for you to share the good news with others.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, the big question.
Speaker 1:
That's a big question. So what are you gonna do with God's plan? That's kind of how I left people and, yeah, any thoughts from you. Know what people should be doing with all that?
Speaker 2:
Just walking the flesh, I mean the Holy Spirit. I was like mentally saying walk in the spirit, and then the flesh came out. Don't walk in the flesh, don't walk in the flesh walk in the spirit.
Speaker 1:
Jesus came and walked in the flesh, but he was full. Anyway, we're not gonna go there, all right? Hey, thanks so much for watching. If you got any questions, we would love to hear from you. Whether wherever you're at, however you are, we love to just sort of wrestle through with you questions about faith, culture and everything in between. So make sure you, like you, subscribe and let us know what you're thinking, what you're watching, how you're experiencing this. We would love to hear from you. So, from our house to yours, have an awesome week. I love you. Christ is the one and only.
