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Speaker 1:
And welcome back to Pastor Plex podcast. I am so glad that we are recording live. We are live right now, whenever platform you are watching. Uh, excited to have you with us and with me in studios none other than Mrs Katie sass. Welcome back, katie.
Speaker 2:
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:
Uh love the hair. We went for a side braid this morning.
Speaker 2:
Yes, we did Um, tell me, was that? Was that a?
Speaker 1:
big decision.
Speaker 2:
I'm trying to add some variety to my hairstyle book instead of just messy bun or um do you do straightener Like is that that's a thing, right? It takes like if I straighten my hair then I need to have dry shampoo so it can last, because it just I like I can't spend, you know, 30, so what about, like when you curl your hair?
Speaker 1:
Does that not take long as long?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it takes, yeah, so which one's longer? Probably straightening.
Speaker 1:
Oh gosh, I've been saying the wrong thing for years. Okay, well, that's good to do.
Speaker 2:
I always thought, if you have a wand like a curling wand, then no, not a curling iron where it clamps, yeah right. Like a curling wand where you just wrap your hair around it yeah. Then it doesn't take as long, but like I'm, I am, I feel bad.
Speaker 1:
I should have been that. That should have been my Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:
What a mistake.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, well, because you know how many hours I could have saved probably over time. I've just been like, hey Adrian, like I really want to see the curl today. That could have probably. I always go straightener because that's, yeah, all right. Well, also with us in studio is none of the machine Good, nick, welcome back, machine Good.
Speaker 3:
Nick, Well, thanks for having me. And as far as her hair goes, I'm just counting on the days until I just shave it all off, because, you know, the more of it falls down to the bottom of the shower, I'm like, why do I shower now? But you know it stinks if I don't.
Speaker 1:
So all right. Well, thanks for that. All right, so we are recapping the story of the Wisemen that you may be familiar with. Pretty much everybody here is familiar with the story. You've probably seen your Christmas cards or like nativity scenes that have the Wisemen wandering up to Jesus born the manger, which is actually not true. But I think that's because you want to incorporate all the Christmas scenes into one thing, so they're the baby, the manger and maybe the, the. The shepherds are there, that's fine, and then you have the Wisemen coming from a distance, and you can't really show 700 miles very well with the nativity scenes. So that's probably why they're there.
Speaker 2:
This is something fun. Ryan taught Eva to like the gifts that the Wisemen brought. Yeah, he taught her to say gold, frankincense. Oh wait, there's Mer. And so now you ask her she's. You're like hey, so what did the Wisemen bring to Jesus? She says gold. Oh wait, there's.
Speaker 1:
Mer, that is so great. I might have to teach Paxton that and I'll get some credit somewhere for that. Okay, so one of the things that we talked about was the thing that Herod did was when he heard word that the Wisemen had come to worship the King, the one who had been born King of the Jews. He freaks out, and the big thing that we know he ultimately does one is he. He manipulates the Wisemen to tell them when the child was born or when the star rose, so he figured out when the child was born. And then, second, he has all the children killed in Bethlehem because he was so obsessed with his own kingdom. Now, I'm sure none of you have like killed off an entire town's worth of children, but what is your go-to reaction or what's the thing that can trigger you to kind of make a massive control reach, or you freak out and make sure that you have, you know, everything under your domain. Where's your go-to?
Speaker 2:
Oh, definitely marriage.
Speaker 1:
Okay, so talk about how you, I guess, regain control whenever I think something is challenging, because we're talking about kind of like manipulating the situation to where it all lines up in your favor, right.
Speaker 2:
And so if we're ever in an argument, or if Ryan feels offended about something, or like if I, if I did something wrong and I know I did something wrong, but like I don't, I don't want, I want him to actually feel bad, not me, like I want it, and it's like in the moment I know my heart's in the wrong place. Like like I know deep down, like you need to just own up to the fact that, like you were disrespectful or you had an attitude when you did this and it hurt him, or you'd you know, whatever you said this the you said something that was really hurtful, right, but I'm like like I'll twist it and be like, well, like I think that you're just being a bit sensitive about it, or like maybe you're just so prideful that anything I say is going to be disrespectful.
Speaker 1:
That could be like seen as gaslighting a little bit Like the problem's not me, you're the issue and actually I think you're crazy.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, like it is so easy for me to like try to play the victim, and so like that's how I would try to control this.
Speaker 1:
I love that.
Speaker 2:
I can't think of anything else.
Speaker 1:
I think that's why I do that.
Speaker 2:
Marriage. It is so easy to just be like how can I twist this to where it's actually Ryan that feels bad and apologizes and it's not?
Speaker 1:
me. Yeah, I feel like whenever I say, what am I supposed to do? And I kind of make it about like how I'm a victim of the situation, you're just adding onto it.
Speaker 2:
you know you're putting more kindling on the fire Like I'm doing my best, yeah, when it's like are you?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, are you, and oh, I'm so sorry. Life's so hard. You somehow are able to function in combat environment, you're able to lead a church and blah blah, but you can't deal with this, whatever small thing. What about you? Machine gun Nick?
Speaker 3:
So I can't do anything marriage wise, which may or may not be a good thing. We know how marriages have worked for me. God will fix that, maybe one day. But I was in Afghanistan the first go around and there was this huge like dirt hill. It was supposedly like a mountain, if you imagine a mountain, but it was dirt instead of rock. Right, that was the area where we were in Western Afghanistan, out in Fob Todd, baltimore, god Anyways, we had to go with. The mission was go up on top of the dirt mound, which, if you imagine, a giant mountain of dirt us, and pull security for the fisters. We had an L T.
Speaker 1:
That's the fire support.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, element.
Speaker 1:
That's artillery, which is big bombs that go from far away.
Speaker 3:
And so they, they. So it was a pull security for them, get them in place. So I got them in place. We were up there for a couple of days and we came back down. They had us come back down for a refit, ah.
Speaker 1:
Get more ammo fuel food.
Speaker 3:
Okay and and so they wanted us to push back out back on the same hill. Mm-hmm, and I was like back at the same location and no one had been there Like we had. We had like let it go right, and then they wanted to put us back up there, right, and that's where bad guys go in there, and that's when the bad guys will, you know, do something, the booby traps, or get you like and I knew that and this was right after we got into a firefight carrying a zodiac across the field that's a ribbed as a rubber boat and I was like, so I talked to the, the, the fister, the one guy, the bull sport team guy that calls an artillery. And I'm like, hey, can we pull the same mission from the compound that's heavily guarded that we did on the hill? They're like, yeah, we got the same eyes on it was like okay, good. And so this captain from the cavalry All right has not left his vehicle Except for brief moments to relieve himself. Sense the firefight with the zodiac right he's that's their first that's his first time getting in an actual firefights yeah, cuz he got in the ones and tanks and stuff, I guess, yep. And so he was like I'm not getting out of here. And so I'm thinking about this and I'm like, all right, I don't want to lose a guy tonight. So I'm like so, sir, oh gosh, we, uh, you know, we could pull the same mission from here and we don't have to kick the element out Now that we've already been up the hill group of men that's gonna be like your small unit go ahead and it's, you know, it's my small, it's me in my small unit, and so I was like I think that'd be the most secure thing to do, because we've already been up there and we've walked away. And when you walk away from a Site, right, they've already seen you go up to, they're gonna do something, they're gonna plan an ambush or something like, unless we're gonna go back in at night and like there's zero loom, which is what the moon produces, produces light illumination, so we call it illumination, right, so there's, if there's zero loom, then my, my NVG's and stuff. Although might be the best, but are gonna be an upgrade from there. They're, they're, they're playing eyesight, right, they don't have my, so they won't see me go in except for, you know, I'd have to cover tracks and stuff, and there's different ways to do that, if you're thinking about it. Alright, but the only only option I had was to go back up there in zero loom, under night cover, darkness, and at that rate we would have to not go to any of the holes we have used previously, because they probably are booby trapped at this point. And so, you know, I just spoke to him. I didn't think it was gonna work, I thought we were gonna end up going back up there. And he was like, okay, yeah, we'll cancel going on the hill. And I was like wow, that was easy. Thank you Lord. Oh my gosh, hey guys forget it. I was like I go find the fister tea, this lieutenant and and this and our sergeant, and I like, hey, you guys are, you guys are Just pull your ops from up here. Yeah, operations, you're good and and yeah. So it wasn't a lazy thing, it wasn't. It was like I just don't want to lose a guy on this hill Doing something that we know for a doctor and you don't do, you don't.
Speaker 1:
I don't know if that's necessarily like that's you controlling, although?
Speaker 2:
yeah, I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, like I think you did the right thing and you actually used 360 degree leadership where you're leading those above you. Now, granted, you'd have a guy that was probably terrified. I had tons of men that when I jumped off my tank I told we're looking for a sniper. Once I had a and I and I was like hey, sergeant, come with me. And he it's as if I like he saw a ghost and he had to get off his tank. So he dismounts and he's literally putting his foot wherever I put my foot and I'm like, come on, you know, but that's just, I mean tanker world. And so I was like kind of half infantry, half tank back then. It was kind of a wild thing. And so he was absolutely, absolutely freaked out because we had so many IEDs and anybody that was on the ground just seemed like they got toast. So I totally get that All right. Anyway, I guess the point is what happens for us? Is we manipulate people To get what we want it by sometimes invalidating them or gaslighting them or what the what? I love that Herod did. He use the Unity trick or like we're the same, like a me too thing, like me too, I want to worship Jesus too. And then he's secretly plotting how to kill him, and so I think that's just kind of how His heart was, because he didn't want anybody interfering with this kingdom. Now, the second thing we talked about was really we've sort of focused in on the wise men who came 700 miles with gold, gold incense and wait some, mer and he and they. They brought it and there wasn't three Weizmann. I think the reason why we think three Weizmann, because there's three gifts and maybe there were three plus there could have been 50, but you're probably going with a personal security detachment, that's a psd and army lingo. You're going with your psd, you've got a lot of weapons, you've got a 700 miles worth of you know security to traverse and you're being sent. Probably the wise men probably were wealthy into themselves but their job was to advise the king in persia, and so these guys were educated well off Maybe the proto sciences, as they had a great understanding of the skies, and so there they go off to to meet the and worship the king, and I think it would have to take a whole lot of faith For that. This is where, like they were totally in in their astrology, which is why a lot of People go, the reason why we can trust that this Weizmann story actually happened is you wouldn't just throw in Weizmann from the east, unless it actually happened, because you're like giving credence to astrology, which is sort of a wild thing to think about.
Speaker 2:
I just be honest. Yeah um, I had a hard time following this Sunday, sir, like I was just like gosh. This is a deep dive, yeah, into Because what happens? For a lot yeah part of the story that just you could like. I just didn't.
Speaker 1:
What's the point?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I was just kind of like this is a part of the story that you go Okay, yeah, cool, they brought him gifts.
Speaker 3:
No.
Speaker 2:
And that was it kid, I'm gonna interject because, to me.
Speaker 3:
I it was a deep dive in, but I love the deep dive because you don't have the realization it clicked in my head like, oh, yeah, if these wise men coming they're bringing like tons of gold and all this, these others, frankincense and weight, yeah, there's mur and mur right? Um, they're gonna need security. So this isn't just like a three guys show up with with some stuff. This is, like you know, maybe a few hundred people here. You know, we don't know how many wise men came right, but they they had to bring there, like you said, is security Detachment and probably the loaders. You know that that loaded up the camels. And it clicked in my head because there was a scene once in Afghanistan, that same hill where I'm taking a knee before we walk Up the hill, as these black, like all black, laden camels Are laden with stuff walking down this dirt road that's right in front of the hill, yeah. And there's nothing I can do but take a knee, like, and it just clicked in my head, you know, and they made 700 miles. You know I was doing the math amount of faith that would take. Yes, because like what, if you're wrong? 700 miles. Yeah, so I that's not like I jump in the truck and in 10 hours I'm there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:
That's like a month at least, or more, more, probably more, but I do appreciate. I think from your perspective, it's like who cares? I know the story, what's the point of that? I think the faith that these guys had Is greater than the faith that Herod has, meaning Herod's, these guys aren't worried about their own personal kingdom, they're worried about worshiping the king, whereas Herod is worried, is wanting to kill the king so he can maintain his kingdom, and I think that's, you see, the juxtaposition of those two different types of people. Um, but at the same time, herod doesn't want to look like, which is I look, he's, he's image conscious. Right right like he wants to make sure it looks like oh, me too, I want to worship the king too. So I will say whatever I need to say to make you guys give me the information I need. And I think during the, the Christmas season, we say a lot of that stuff to kind of maybe to make peace, and sometimes Maybe that's okay, like yeah, the pie was amazing, it was great. You're like, uh, yeah, but what, how do we? I think that's a part of it where I think for me, that really spoke out, so I get that what like personally, what was it about this sermon that Really really like resonated with? the biggest thing for me is that wise men who were Searching for a star found it right. They found star, but the star point in the scripture that blew my mind Like I think, and normally I think we think of, like the star being a place where it just took them right to the house and ultimately it did, but it went star scripture, star and they had to engage the word of god and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of god. So they come to the Jerusalem and he goes where is the king to be born? They go to the bible and say, oh, it's in Bethlehem. And then they go to Bethlehem and then the star confirms it for him, which I thought that was awesome. And I think that's where and I've told the stories about holland Were you there for that part where I was talking about holland going to uh africa on the Hoseb Hoseb? So he goes to this tribe and there's they share in the gospel and unreach people group and they won't listen anything holland or his team has to say until uh, holland talks to the elder and holland at times like 23, 24, maybe 25, and this guy is like 90 on the deathbed and he, he shares the gospel. It's like, finally I know the voice that was saving my life. You know, because he told a story like when I was little, a voice would tell me to go left and I'd find food. A voice would tell me, go right and I would escape the enemy. And I'd look behind me there was nobody there and he said he connected for him as I shared the scripture, that that voice of scripture Connected with him, that voice that spoke into his head. Wild story. And then I talked about how uh Muhammad, like when he was going to go, he was going to go be a nominal muslim in Uh Jordan so that he could inherit the wealth of his father. But as he started reading it, you know, you get the stuff like where's the part where we, you know, you know, kill the infidels? Like when are we gonna go do the jihad? And it's like, oh yeah, we don't really do that, you know it's not really our thing. So but says like, right here, that's what you do. And and he's like, yeah, well, you know, that's like a spiritual thing we don't do. And so then he he goes Well, they mentioned Jesus a lot. So he goes and downloads a u-version Bible and goes to the word of God and through that he sees the difference between Muhammad and Jesus. You know, when Jesus and Luke 9, he goes um a Samaritan village, kicks him out, so hey, don't come through here, we don't like your kind. And then the disciples go should we call down fire and destroy them like the first fisters? Okay. And so uh, and he goes. And he goes no, for the son of man didn't come to, just For someone came to save men's lives, not to destroy them. And I think there's that part that we struggle, where Muhammad is like Muhammad, like the prophet, is saying we need to destroy the infidels, where Jesus saying no, we need to save the infidels. That's the difference that the scriptures spoke loud and clear to Muhammad. And then faith comes by hearing, hearing by we're going. If that, to me, was the most powerful thing, is that even astrologers needed the bible to find Jesus. Yeah, all right. Any other thoughts on that? And then, probably the last part is that I think this is what Christmas is all about we need to Do.
Speaker 3:
I have a question on that. Yeah, because so we're talking 700 miles, right, and we're figuring months, if not longer. So how long is Jesus in the manger?
Speaker 1:
Remember he's not in the manger when they show up. He is in that. They have a house now.
Speaker 3:
So it said so that whole nativity scene not exactly accurate, right?
Speaker 1:
So the, the, the wise men coming to the manger did not happen. They said they come to a toddler, and so that's where it's like it's. So they see the star, and I don't know how long it takes to convince like whoever their royal king or their you know leader was, hey, let us go to go worship. We need to send an envoy of gold, frankincense and myrrh to honor this guy, and it looks like this is someone we should be worshiping. All right, good, I mean, think of it. How long it takes to just plan a trip for your family. Now plan a trip with gold, frankincense and myrrh. Security fundraising into passport.
Speaker 3:
I mean because a passport you didn't, you didn't weren't just like you can, just you couldn't just travel freely throughout these lands, sure right. You had to have the the okay of the rulers exactly to come into the other spot and the ruler you came from to leave, because, especially if you have those kind of funds, you're obviously a valuable, an asset to his right, his country Right. So yeah, so you had to get you know the clearance to do this, yeah.
Speaker 1:
So anyway, I do think it's a big deal and I think it points to the. You know we talked about how Jesus was born, like as a peasant, but he still had all of the royal accoutrements that come with an angelic expression of joy. You have people bearing lots of wealth coming in worshiping and honoring him, like all the normal stuff. You have just happened in a tiny town of Bethlehem as opposed to, I don't know, like Moody, the Moody theater for ACL, like you know. Like where would you, where would you want to kind of put, if Jesus is going to be born near Austin, you wouldn't throw him out in Buda, you'd send him to, like you know, maybe a hospital downtown. Or if it was going to be a big presentation of like a royal natural birth, you put it in down in where UT plays, which is that a DK Memorial Stadium, like maybe.
Speaker 3:
Right, but not this Jesus. Yeah, he's going for Buda. Yeah, or you know, leander, or Gerald like someplace small. Yeah, you're just like, oh, okay, yeah. And then we have Herod's fallout with this. So Herod wants to protect what is his and he's like king, and he only thinking of a king in the physical sense and not the spiritual sense. And now it's like, oh, let's kill out all the, all the kids in this.
Speaker 1:
It's wild. It's wild, the, the, how, the length you will go in your own kingdom to maintain control. So anyway, other thoughts on that, katie, or you kind of like, ready to land the plane.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3:
We're landing now. We're landing really good to take off. A pretty sure I can fly hey so much for watching.
Speaker 1:
I'm so grateful that you're you're checking us out on our live stream edition of pastor plex podcast. Hey, make sure you like, share, subscribe, tell a friend about this particular pocket. Oh wait, hold on. I do have a question.
Speaker 2:
Oh, shoot, yes, Okay, oh, this is awkward. This is awkward. I was about to land the plane.
Speaker 1:
But here it is. This is just a random question. So it has nothing really to do with this sermon, but it's okay, I think you'll you'll. This is what people think about, and so I need you to wrap your head around this. One Okay Question about the flood. So the flood that um you know, oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:
So this is, if God allowed this.
Speaker 1:
This is what they were thinking about during the sermon. Apparently, if God allowed the sons of God which I think means demons to reproduce with humans making Nephilim before the flood, is he allowing that to still happen? Could this be? What? Could this be what people are seeing when they see aliens or giants? Or in his promise in Genesis eight 21, is God implying he won't allow any more demons to procreate? That's the way with the Nephilim and and? Uh, sons of God, sons of men, uh, he won't allow any more demons to procreate with humans anymore, so he won't have to wipe out everyone again. Also, in that promise, god says every inclination of the human heart is evil. From childhood I thought our hearts were born evil because we are born to our flesh. In the fall of our forefathers have an Eve. This makes the wording of this verse makes me wonder if we are about, if we're born without evil hearts, and that God is saying we develop it in childhood, although Psalm 58 three says even from birth, the wicked ghost right from the womb, their wayward spreading lies. This makes me think that what I believe is right, which is we're born wicked, so that is. Uh, I got a lot of stream of consciousness questions. Start. First part is um is Genesis eight 21 one question. Yeah, is Genesis eight 21, god implying he won't allow demons to procreate with humans anymore, so you won't have to wipe everyone out again? What do you think? So the Nephilim are? Uh, am I?
Speaker 2:
dumb that this is like news to me. No, no, this is this is it's or maybe it's something that, like I feel like I've heard it before, but I don't think I really like.
Speaker 1:
So there's so many different. The reason why you don't hear about it is there's so many options on which way to go with this.
Speaker 2:
Where is this?
Speaker 3:
Genesis six, genesis eight, that that area right before Noah, right before the Ark, right leading up to the Ark. Yeah, because the Ark flood should have killed them all off, right?
Speaker 2:
Okay.
Speaker 1:
So the? So who are the sons of God and who are the daughters of men? That becomes the real question. And are the sons of God angels, and the daughters of men humans, or is it? The sons of God are the line of Seth and Adam and Eve, and the daughters of men the line of uh Cain and his family? You know it's it's. Is it angels and humans having babies? This maybe. I mean maybe that's where the stories of Hercules or any of the like the wild Grecian gods that were worshiped. Maybe that's where that came from, I don't know.
Speaker 3:
Or is it um of Legion, right or demonic, because Satan brought down a third? Was it a third, yeah? Of the angels with him right, and so that that's the other side of it is is that those were the angels that were Reproducing with the son of there is a man.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there is no definitive scholarship on this, and that's what we could debate it all day long. Or was it a free-for-all?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I think that's so hard to care. Like well, no, no, no, no. I need to be nicer. Two questions, yeah, but I'm trying really hard to wrap my head around this. It's yeah that is.
Speaker 1:
So this is this person's ass. It could these be aliens, you know, the sons of God, daughters of men, connections or giants could be I. I think it goes back to how does this affect your life? I think it's an intellectual exercise.
Speaker 2:
That's what I'm trying it like. I'm kind of like it's an intellectual exercise as opposed to a practical exercise.
Speaker 1:
So I think that's the first one and I think that's a fun thing to debate and talk about. But I think the half God, half human thing, I think it's real things very possible, but I don't know, I can't is there any scripture that anybody other than Noah and his family survived the flood?
Speaker 3:
No, the only no one. The family survived okay, so if that's the case, then the giant race is taken out. Taken out and we're done right, except for David fought a giant Goliath who is nine feet tall, just like big.
Speaker 2:
I mean like.
Speaker 1:
I mean the people. Like you know, I be tall.
Speaker 3:
We got basketball players, were they seven foot tall?
Speaker 1:
seven, seven and a half feet tall. Oh, like back then people also live to be like 200 300. Well, yeah, not during David's time but yeah, but to your point Again, I think it's. This is a. I think it's a great debate I don't want to take. I think it's a fun thing to talk about, but I don't think has relevance. It's a faith, culture and everything between other than the fact it's a fun thing to talk about, and I think the definitive thing you can say is that nobody knows and Scholars all disagree on this one. All right. The next question is that are people born evil? And I would say yes, and, and I think the scripture that she was pointing to is Psalm 58, 3, which even from birth, that we could go straight, true, but I think you can say we are a slave to sin even from birth. And then, ultimately, so the the question she say also, god says every I think it's Genesis 821, I think that's where she got that is that every inclination of the human heart is Evil from childhood. And I think that you could include in that, yeah, you can include in that as your naturally born evil, because if, as a a natural born sinner, you sin, that's what you do, and so, yeah, so I I'm not sure if you learn evil. I think that's what she's asking. Is it that you learn evil. No, you're born evil and so therefore, as an evil person, you do evil, and I think that's an adequate.
Speaker 2:
You have a natural bent.
Speaker 1:
You have natural bent towards evil, which is why every, no one can depend on their righteousness to be saved, except for Jesus, who was not born evil, because he was born the Holy Spirit, which is why it's so important that he was fully God, fully man, and that there was the Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary and she had a virgin birth. That that's why that makes. That's why it not only makes sense, it is it's needed for him to be able to be.
Speaker 3:
Sinless. It just comes down to you either are a slave of your own sin or you choose to walk with Christ and by yourself.
Speaker 1:
Your goal is going to sin right, and so the hard part about that is If the only thing you can do is sin, then how can you make the right choice? You can't, and that's why it's a gift of God, so that no one can both, no one can boast. And so that's why we believe in original sin and that Jesus, he gives you the ability to have the faith, which is a gift from him, so that you can't say what I believe. I'm better than Katie, because I was able to figure it out when I was this age. Oh, really, I Figured out when I was this age. That makes me, you know, like that's where there's a boasting that comes with. I was smart enough To believe and that goes, you can't do that apart from the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 3:
that goes back to no. All sins are equal.
Speaker 1:
There is no sin that is, that is higher than another right so sort of, because obviously, like if I hate my brother in my heart but I don't kill him, although in the in the terms of with God it's equal, but clearly it's not equal in the terms of how the outcomes on on humanity Right. So I think that's where True does. It takes the same amount of blood to die on the cross for your Evil thoughts as it does for evil actions, but the repercussions of your evil actions have a greater Reward, or punishment, if you will all here on earth and in the afterlife. So let's say, you trust Jesus and you still do really awful things in your life, you're gonna get lesser rewards in heaven. And the reality is, you got a question am I really saved? But if you are questioning, am I really saved, you probably are saved. That's a whole thing there. But you lose out on reward because of the way that you Didn't see the gift of God rightly, if that makes sense, and that's why it's really important to to understand that you did nothing to earn your salvation and which means you can do nothing to lose it. At the same time, the rewards God, god gives you Like. So remember the the parable of the sower and somebody reaps 30, 60, sometimes a hundred. What, what's that reaping? Is that only on earth? No, it's beyond heaven. Because when in the afterlife Some will have charge of five cities, some will have charge of three cities, ten cities, whatever that is, there is gonna be a hierarchy of, of some sort of rule during the millennial kingdom. For those who believe, that's a lot, but just the basic thing to know is that the way that after you receive God's grace, the way that you relive your life, there'll be rewards Like you'll have a greater position in heaven and there will be consequences of your loss of reward if you Don't follow him and you do. Only way you can choose to follow him is after you become a Christian, because before that all you could do was choose to sin and disbelieve in the gospel. That's probably way more.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I think we got to like cut it.
Speaker 3:
Are we landing the plane?
Speaker 1:
landing the plane. Hey, thanks for watching. Make sure you like, share and subscribe. We'd love to hear from you. Ask a question, we will answer it and Katie might not like it, but we're gonna go through it. I'm gonna be nice. Thanks for watching our house. Yours have an awesome.
